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ghancock

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Flight to Sun n Fun
« on: April 16, 2018, 07:13:34 pm »
So... :-( Yeah, its coming...

I have now replaced all 12 jugs on the old 680FP and hope that it helps with some of the BS problems I keep having.  We hopped in the old bird last Friday to fly to Sun n Fun and the trip down was absolutely perfect.  Until...

I stopped just shy of the airport to fill up with fuel so that we could head back that evening and I wouldn’t have to stop.  The trip was about 2 hours both ways and beautiful weather.  Upon taking off for the 10 minute leg into Lakeland I noticed the autopilot had blown a fuse and wouldn’t reset.  No big deal, just flew on in with no other troubles.

Then climbing out that evening to head home I tried to lean the engines and noticed that the left engine had an EGT that went to 1600 degrees despite the CHT sitting at 350.  I tried to work through this in my head and decided that it had to be a bad reading since theoretically that just didn’t seem possible. 

Then the right engine started stumbling and eventually shut off.  I figured ( I think correctly) that I had leaned it too much and it just didn’t want to keep working for very little pay.  I got it started again and tried to lean again.  It did fine for a few minutes then died again.  After a 3rd time of this exercise and the red line on the gauage for the left cylinder EGT, I decided that I’d fly ROP for the 1:45 minute trip.  I learned a few things...

1) At ROP, which I NEVER fly, the airplane picks up another 20KTS.  We were averaging a bit over 200 knots TAS.

2) Whenever something good happens to me there is always something around the corner waiting.  My wife gets a kick out of these things now a days and this one came in the shocking fact that at 32” and 2700 RPM this freaking thing burns 40 gallons of gas per side.

The issue is that I either have to fly full rich due to any movement of the mixture control sending the CHT’s to over 450 degrees withing 30 seconds.  So I either stay full rich, or go full LOP to keep things cool.  There is no in between and the amazing thing is both engines perform exactly the same.  They both run like tops, show same fuel pressure, oil pressure, RPM and MP as well as fuel flows.  So if there is something wrong its wrong on both engines in the same amount.

So, we ended up having to stop again before we got home because you could literally sit and watch the fuel gage go down with each passing minute.

So the good news is, if I fly like that much more I’ll be ready for a Turbine pretty quickly. :-). At least nothing mechanically went wrong and the engines ran really well.

Glenn
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Adam Frisch

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Re: Flight to Sun n Fun
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2018, 09:57:01 pm »
What could it be? Some sort of slop in the mixture cable or something?
Slumming it in the turboprop world - so you don't have to.

donv

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Re: Flight to Sun n Fun
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2018, 12:41:41 am »
Sorry to hear that! 80gph is a lot of gas... I do admire you for keeping the old girl flying.

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Re: Flight to Sun n Fun
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2018, 09:18:19 am »
There are all sorts of possibilities, almost all of which are extremely unlikely to happen to both sides at once immediately after a normal flight down. The only one I could come up with:

Double birds' nests in the cowlings?
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ghancock

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Re: Flight to Sun n Fun
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2018, 05:13:51 pm »
lol, it is that time of year Don.

I'm planning to fly and test a few things tomorrow so hopefully can figure it out.  80gph sucks to only be going 200 knots :-)

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Re: Flight to Sun n Fun
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2018, 06:29:36 pm »
I don't mean to add insult to injury, but I only burn about 62gph to get 300 knots...

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Re: Flight to Sun n Fun
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2018, 08:38:48 pm »
Lol, Yeah Yeah.  Thats until I buy your plane.  It will then develop the ability to burn fuel like a man... :-)

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Re: Flight to Sun n Fun
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2018, 12:41:59 pm »
Glenn.....The normal consumption is about 22 GPH on each engina, at 10,000 feet, OAT 5 Centrigrade, 2650 rpm and about 31 inches. Should yield 185MPH IAS, and about 200kts +/- 10%. But I do fly ROP.

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Re: Flight to Sun n Fun
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2018, 08:30:10 pm »
Thanks, but if I pulled back to 22GPH I'd be LOP and a bit hot.  20-21GPH each side gets me cool LOP and about 180TAS. Indicated about 150 or so.  If I go ROP I have to go over 35GPH just to keep the cylinders somewhat cool and actually a bit more than that.

Was watching another 680F video and he was burning about 27-28GPH per side.  Still much better than me.

https://youtu.be/71hCQCR6-ss

Glenn
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