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Mike Lever

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selling our commander 1000
« on: January 13, 2019, 11:15:00 pm »
serial # 054.    It's a beautiful 1000 after all the debugging and restoration by Bruce and Scott.   I already love this airplane and put 40 hours on it in our first month of service.    But it's a "pilot's airplane" and not so great for our admin staff who have been flying around with me.  We are going to move up to a Citation.   It will be on controller by the end of the week...    sad day.   Mike

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2019, 07:19:54 am »
Fix the heating problem(s)…. then the staff will not be a problem

Mike Lever

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2019, 11:37:55 am »
Heating system is fully tweaked now.   We incorporated some suggestions from a fellow at Twin Commander who has been with these airplanes all the way back to the days with Gulfstream.    1700 nm milk run with a stop or two each way is just not fun for our staff.  It's fun for me!   Just not so much for staff riding in the back.

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2019, 12:30:49 pm »
What kind of Citation are you thinking of, for that mission?

Bruce Byerly

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2019, 06:02:07 pm »
Mike,

I have absolutely no doubt that I can fix the heat but I can’t fix doing a jet trip in a turboprop.  I think that’s the issue.

Mike Lever

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2019, 01:44:42 pm »
What kind of Citation are you thinking of, for that mission?

Looking at Citation V and Ultras.   The S2 is intriguing but seems to be a mixed review on them.   CJ2 would be nice but a lot more capital and it means locking into an engine program.   I'd like to stick to something that can be flown single pilot and has garmin radios

Adam Frisch

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2019, 04:19:57 pm »
Can I take her on credit? Pay her off in 5 years?  ;)
Slumming it in the turboprop world - so you don't have to.

Mike Lever

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2019, 08:55:20 pm »
Mike,

I have absolutely no doubt that I can fix the heat but I can’t fix doing a jet trip in a turboprop.  I think that’s the issue.

Yup.  That is the exact issue.   Otherwise this is the perfect airplane for us.  I love flying it.  We just came back from YVR - Ensenada - Cabo - San Diego - Monterey - YVR.   < 7000 lbs total fuel burn.   Steady 300 KIAS and 6000 ft cabin at 280.    But it doesn't work if staff don't want to fly in an airplane with propellors on this longer trips.    sighhh.   I'm especially bummed after all the work you and Scott and Tim did on this airplane.

Mike Lever

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2019, 08:57:07 pm »
Can I take her on credit? Pay her off in 5 years?  ;)


Sure!!   Just as long as I can find someone with a citation who will take the same deal!!      I really enjoy reading your posts and hope to meet in person one day..

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2019, 04:20:33 pm »
Love to meet up one day! Hope the move to a Citation goes smoothly. :)
Slumming it in the turboprop world - so you don't have to.

Bruce Byerly

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2019, 04:21:22 pm »
Mike,

I have absolutely no doubt that I can fix the heat but I can’t fix doing a jet trip in a turboprop.  I think that’s the issue.

Yup.  That is the exact issue.   Otherwise this is the perfect airplane for us.  I love flying it.  We just came back from YVR - Ensenada - Cabo - San Diego - Monterey - YVR.   < 7000 lbs total fuel burn.   Steady 300 KIAS and 6000 ft cabin at 280.    But it doesn't work if staff don't want to fly in an airplane with propellors on this longer trips.    sighhh.   I'm especially bummed after all the work you and Scott and Tim did on this airplane.

This reminds of the fact that my wife is not thrilled about riding in the 500 for 6 plus hours at a time. I don’t know why, I find it therapeutic!  :)

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2019, 04:37:06 pm »

This reminds of the fact that my wife is not thrilled about riding in the 500 for 6 plus hours at a time. I don’t know why, I find it therapeutic!  :)

My wife feels the same way about 5+ hours in the 980!

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2019, 12:23:48 pm »
1700 nm milk run with a stop or two each way is just not fun for our staff.
Two stops on a 1700nm flight in a 1000? I thought that would be one stop, and only into the wind. My farting around on Foreflight shows that 1700nm with a tailwind is usually a nonstop flight.

So what's it like in the real world? 800nm legs?
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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2019, 12:52:22 pm »
1700 nm milk run with a stop or two each way is just not fun for our staff.
Two stops on a 1700nm flight in a 1000? I thought that would be one stop, and only into the wind. My farting around on Foreflight shows that 1700nm with a tailwind is usually a nonstop flight.

So what's it like in the real world? 800nm legs?

From a range perspective, a no-wind 1700nm leg shouldn't be a problem in an RVSM 1000.

I can do 1500nm legs in my short-range, non-RVSM 980, even with a slight headwind.

More than one stop against even 100 knot plus winds is a choice, not a requirement.

One of my brothers had a Citation V for a while, and we did some trips in tandem. He really didn't have any more range than I did, and stopped about the same places. He was quite a bit quicker, however, and I think probably did better into a headwind (but as a slight counter, he also flew higher, and thus had stronger winds to deal with).
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Mike Lever

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Re: selling our commander 1000
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2019, 08:30:42 pm »
The range on a 1000 is great.   The driver on our itinerary was making business calls, not range.   Our milk run is Vancouver to Ensenada.  1086 nm straight line.   A little over 1100 nm real world.  I've been filing J1 southbound but ATC seems quite happy to clear us Seattle direct Lando direct Tijuana.  On one trip we had 110 knots quartering off the nose resulting in a 50 knot headwind.  That was our longest.    Still managed to do the trip in 4:15 at FL270 with a fuel burn of 2200 lbs.  Landed with 1000 lbs in the tanks.   I would say that 1500 nm is quite doable without RVSM.   5 hours is the longest I would want to be sitting in the cockpit at one time anyways..