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ghancock

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Lockheed 12a Purchase
« on: May 18, 2020, 09:30:52 am »
Some of you were interested so will post a new thread here on my new purchase.  As most of you are aware I own a Twin Commander 680FP and a few years ago purchased a Beech 18 that I've been flying a good bit.  In December I purchased the Lockheed 12 that was used in the latest Amelia Movie in 2009.  The guy that purchased it in 1987 and spent 15 years rebuilding it is a good friend of mine.  He lost his medical and was getting tired of her sitting in his hanger not flying and he'd been after me for a while to buy it.  We worked out a deal and I set out upgrading the panel to get her ready to do some serious bird watching.

The airplane is a 1936 model 12a and was gone through tip to tail in the restoration. 

As for comparing it to the Beech 18 it is really in a totally different category and not saying this because I own it.  It really surprised me at how different the two airplanes are.  Outside of the engines there isn't a single part they share.  I still love flying the Beech too but engineering wise they couldn't be different.

They are both big tail traggers so they share that aspect but the Lockheed is more like a mini DC-3 than it is a Beech 18.  Controls are very smooth and it lands around 80, stalls around 65 and you have elevator control all the way through the process.  The 18 will lose elevator if you get much below 90 on landing. 

The cockpit on the Lockheed is the only thing I'm not in love with but it is so cool flying such an old airplane you get over it pretty quickly.  The window is flat and right in your face.  Visibility is terrible when on the ground but great in the air.  Like a DC-3, you have to reach for the instruments which takes some getting used to.

All of the controls including throttles and other handles are ball bearings so they are very smooth to operate.  Ailerons droop with the flaps giving you an almost 40' flap hanging out there which is why it can land so slow.  Gear is driving by screw jacks instead of all the cables and chains that are in the beech 18 so are smooth as glass going up and down.

Overall, the Lockheed is a very very awesome airplane to fly and definitely gets everyone's attention when it pulls up.

Here are a few pics and anyone interested is welcome to fly on down and I'll let you fly it.

Here is link to entire gallery:  https://gshutter.smugmug.com/Airplanes/My-Planes/Lockheed-12/Lockheed-12a

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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2020, 10:38:53 am »
anyone interested is welcome to fly on down and I'll let you fly it.
WOWOWOWOWWWWW! I'm in love. Great pics!

I'm in the middle of an airplane reshuffling dance right now. Once I have something that will land on grass again, I am going to go out of my way to take you up on that offer.
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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2020, 11:26:35 am »
Get close and we'll come pick you up.
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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2020, 12:14:51 pm »
We need a "like" button on this website! So very cool!

How fast is the Lockheed at cruise?

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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2020, 01:58:28 pm »
Oh man, Glenn - she's a friggin beauty! So jealous!

I know what you're gonna do from now on - spend your weekends polishing!  8) ;)
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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 02:07:20 pm »
Glenn, how long until you end up with a DC-3?

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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2020, 02:49:10 pm »
Beautiful, Glenn!  You now have a handful of great airplanes!  I would love to fly down there and see them all...

I am still flying my 500B.  It is still doing very well!

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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2020, 03:09:03 pm »
I was just browsing DC-3 ads and I saw a sentence I never thought I'd see:

"Low total time with only 17,896 hours"

I think there might be more DC-3s still flying than all the 680s put together.
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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2020, 03:11:10 pm »
A friend of mine owns the highest time DC-3 in the world!

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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2020, 03:30:13 pm »
Adam is right about the polishing... but what an awesome looking machine.

And your son (co-pilot) has grown so much since we last saw saw him. He will be on the payroll before long.

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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2020, 10:22:34 pm »
pretty neat, thanks for sharing with all of these photos.

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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2020, 12:02:42 am »
500B, B200

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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2020, 12:08:29 am »
Yep. He flew it to Europe last summer, and I was supposed to come back with him through Asia, but the whole Covid thing got in the way. Maybe this fall.

A friend of mine owns the highest time DC-3 in the world!

N18121?
http://dc3dakotahistory.org/dc-3-stories/high-time-dc-3-12181/

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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2020, 07:38:01 am »
lol, Badger, come on.  You'd have no problem landing here and would love to see you.  As for the DC-3, if I could get it into this airport I'd probably already own one.  I have a good friend that has been letting me fly his but he's got engine problems and it is down atm.  I do love those planes though.

The Lockheed cruises around 165knots and burns around 40GPH there.  I usually fly it around 8-10k and in a few of the pictures you'll see 7 people in there.  I took off a 2900' runway here with zero problems, flew to SC and landed on a 2500' runway and spent the day and then flew home.  Both takes offs were mostly full of fuel and she didn't even bat an eye.  The only difference in flying was the tail was a few seconds longer coming up but otherwise everything the same.

She's a dream to fly.

As for polishing, :-)  I have peeps...

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Re: Lockheed 12a Purchase
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2020, 10:11:59 am »
It sounds like a great purchase, Glenn.  Well done, my friend!  I know you will enjoy it.  You do fly enough to make having a classic like the Electra (or any of your others!) well worthwhile!

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