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donv

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Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« on: August 28, 2020, 08:57:07 pm »
Looks like he was on final approach...

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/240571

High energy impact! Maybe stalled it?


donv

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2020, 04:57:18 pm »
Sounds more like fuel?

Steve binnette

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2020, 11:28:43 am »
He had just taken off.  Could be a possible misfueling?

Looks like he was trying to make a golf course just past that building.


donv

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2020, 01:47:46 pm »
No fire, and in the pictures I've seen, no wet spot on the ground around the airplane, so I'd guess more likely no fuel.

As I recall from 25 years ago, the Shrike fuel gauges were pretty bad. Swede ran out of gas in Shrike, and had to land in a field. It was not dissimilar from this, actually-- he had to run down to Eugene or somewhere close to pick someone up, the gauges showed enough fuel (but not a lot extra, to be fair), and he ran out on the way home. At least that's how I remember him telling it.

Bruce Byerly

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2020, 04:24:22 pm »
If you fly a 500 long enough, you will probably see the (failure of) fuel indication system showing fuel that doesn’t exist. I have a fuel stick and always keep a close eye on it and compare qty indicated vs fuel to top off, etc.

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2020, 04:26:32 pm »
You know, it's funny, I remember Swede telling me that he normally sticked the tanks, but he was in a hurry and it was a short flight and... you know.

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2020, 10:38:25 pm »
Only way I can stick mine is to fill the tanks up. :-). The main thing I hate about flying my Commander is the fuel system.  Gauges suck and you can’t see past the main part of the tanks and no idea what lies below.

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2020, 10:42:48 pm »
What is N number?  Looks like 9000T in video footage but that isn’t a valid number.  Tried O instead of 0 and that isn’t valid either.

Did anyone know them?

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2020, 05:10:23 pm »
Only way I can stick mine is to fill the tanks up. :-). The main thing I hate about flying my Commander is the fuel system.  Gauges suck and you can’t see past the main part of the tanks and no idea what lies below.

Glenn

Glenn- Fix your gauges? To me one of the best parts about Commanders is the fuel system.  It’s almost idiot proof. No fuel management. No crossfeed. No balancing. No CG issues. Little risk of venting with the anti siphon caps (what the heck happened to Ted Smith on the Aerostar, I can’t imagine), no boost pumps required, fuel cells instead of wet wing, no unporting risk, low sump for easy verification of water and elimination thereof, no tank switching. It’s amazingly awesome. Just make sure it has fuel. Like any plane.

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2020, 10:50:51 pm »
Well I have 2 aux tanks that are separate from main tank and require switching.  Then when that goes dry I go back to main tanks.  The real issue though is that top tanks drain into large main tank and once you get a little low on those front top tanks you have zero idea what is in the big main tank because you can no longer stick it or see it.

My favorite so far is the Lockheed as it has 4 tanks and I can run either or both engines off any of the tanks without cross feeding.

Man, a friend of mine showed me video from people at this crash site that I wish I could unsee.  Terrible crash and what it did to the two guys in the plane was insane.  They obviously took off with no gas which blows my mind.

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2020, 01:09:48 am »
The Aerostar was supposed to be even simpler. A single tank in the fuselage feeds both engines. However, it turned out that tank wasn't big enough, requiring tanks in the wings, and things just got more complex from there.

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2020, 01:12:19 am »
Glenn - probably not worth doing but the later installation of the outboard tanks just connect them all together without the valves and gravity does the work. Doesn’t solve your problem of measuring low level fuel visual but I guess starting with 100+ makes it harder to run out?

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Re: Shrike Accident, Hollywood FL
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2020, 01:15:29 am »
Don - I’m flying one of those beasts and it’s kind of an ingenious and simple System but before the failure modes were figured out and they added gauges, a lot of folks ran them out of gas. Like 26 of them in one year or something crazy like that  :o