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Bruce Byerly

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680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« on: September 19, 2023, 09:49:46 pm »
A few nice, current and active -5 planes for sale at realistic prices with engines from fresh to limited time remaining. Give me a call: 309-397-2525

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2023, 11:49:54 pm »
Are you selling a 680V, or are you talking about Adam's?

What is the price range for a decent -5 690A/B these days?

Bruce Byerly

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2023, 10:10:24 am »
Different planes but hereís one for $275,000;

General Information: 1967 Turbine Aero Commander 680V with TPE331-1-151K Conversion (575 SHP) 337 Gallons useable. Complete Logs. Extra parts, spare engine, props and more.  Also, have available another 680V, could be a package deal.  On Part 135 ticket flying.
 
Equipment Specifications:
​Registration Number:​​N111SK
​Serial Number:​​​1710-85​​​​​​ ​
​Year:​​​​1967​​​​​
​Manufacturer:​​​Aero Commander​​​​
​Model:​​​​680V​​​​​​
​Location:​​​Twin Falls, ID​​​
​Condition:​​​Used​​​​​​
​Flight Rules:​​​VFR/IFR​​​
​Number of Seats:​​8​​
 
Detailed Description​
Airframe:
​Total Time Air Frame:​​ 8,511 Hrs.
 
Engines:​
​Engine Model:​​​TPE 331-1-151K (575 SHP)
​Total Time #1 Engine:​​9,829 Hrs. TSN S/N: P-2611C
​Since Overhaul:​​​1,669 Hrs. (2017)
​Total Time Since Hot Section:​1,669 Hrs. (5400 Hr. TBO/ 1800 Hr. Hot Section)
 
​Total Time #2 Engine:​​9530 Hrs. TSN S/N: P-26019
​Time Since Overhaul:​​1,669 Hrs. (2017)
​Total Time Since Hot Section:​1,669 Hrs. (5400 Hr. TBO/ 1800 Hr. Hot Section)​​​​​
Props:
​Prop Model:​​​Hartzell Ė HC-B3TN-5K
​Total Time Propellor #1:​5,238 Hrs.
​Time Since Overhaul:​​627 Hrs. (1/2020)
​Total Time Propellor #2:​5,238 Hrs.
​Time Since Overhaul:​​627 Hrs. (1/2020)

Modifications/Conversions:​
​Sofie Freon Air Conditioning system (337)
​Installation of AIResearch TPE331-1-151 (STC)
​Solid State DC Voltage Regulators (STC)
​Hydraulics converted from Skydrol to MIL-H-5606 (STC)
​EI Digital EGT Gauges (STC)
​EI Digital Voltage/Ammeters (STC)
​Aft gear well doors removed (STC)
​AeroDyne Commander-Aero Winglets
​Cleveland Conversion Wheel and Brake Assembly Kits (STC)
​Precise Flight Pulselite Landing/Taxi/Recognition Light System (STC)
​Inertia Reel Shoulder Harness on both pilot and co-pilot seats.
​Whelen Rotating Beacon and 3 Position Lights (STC)
​Precise Flight Pulse Lights (STC)
​EPA system installed.
​Honeywell Engines TPE331-1-151K (STC)
​Hartzell Propellors (STC)
​Auxiliary Outboard Fuel Tanks (STC)
​Bergman Camera door (STC)

Avionics/Radios:​​​​
​Audio Panel:  ​​Garmin 345​
​GPS/Nav/Comm 1:​Garmin GNS 530W​
​GPS/Nav/Comm 2:​Garmin GNS 430W
​Comm 3:​​Garmin SL-40​​
​Auto Pilot:​​S-Tec 65​​​​​​​
​Transponder:  ​​GTX-330ES (ADSB Out)
​TAWS:​​​Garmin 530W
​TCAD:​​​Avidyne 9900BX TAS
​EGT:​​​Alcor Analog​
​Marker Beacon:​​PS Engineering MB10 Marker Beacon​
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Exterior:
​Colors: White with Orange and Black accent striping
​5/10 Condition.
​Boots in good condition

Interior:
​Colors: Grey leather with grev fabric side panels and wool carpet
​7/10 Condition.
 
Inspection Status:
​Annual Inspection Due:​​​3/20/2024
​Spar Inspection Completed - Due:​03/22/2025​
​Transponder Test Due:​​​3/14/2024
​IFR Cert Due:​​​​3/14/2024​
​ACK E04 ELT 406 Battery Due:​6/25​
​5-Year Gear inspection Due:​​5/2025​
​Weight & Balance:​​​Useful Load 3,082 lbs.​​
​Complete Logbooks from New
 
 
PERFORMANCE:
Performance:
Speed: 240-250kts
Fuel burn: 64gal/hr mid teens, under 60gal/hr in the twenties.
Fuel capacity: 337gal
Max ceiling: 25000ft
Max differential: 4.2psi
Max range: 1200nm

Bruce Byerly

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2023, 10:20:49 am »
Are you selling a 680V, or are you talking about Adam's?

What is the price range for a decent -5 690A/B these days?

690Aís and 690Bís, really depends on engine time and so many other factors but thereís a pretty strong plane with nice engines to be had in the $500-650 range.  A nice one is hard to beat in that range but they are few and far between.

donv

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2023, 11:45:10 am »
It's interesting, because $275k for a 680V which will be due for hot sections in 100 or so hours seems to me to be not nearly as good a deal as a 690A for $500k or so.

690A is just such an improved airplane over the 680V.

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2023, 10:24:59 pm »
« Last Edit: September 20, 2023, 10:33:36 pm by Adam Frisch »
Slumming it in the turboprop world - so you don't have to.

Bruce Byerly

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2023, 08:40:35 am »
Well letís not let the hots slow us down. Low time engines and spares are avail and another flying plane. Mix and match.

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2023, 03:41:24 pm »
Are things moving at all?

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2023, 03:44:03 pm »
Just sold my Grand Rennaissance 690. Those looking to buy, and also current owners, should be aware of the potential for upcoming mandatory crack inspections. I just spent $71,000 to have the tail cracks fixed. Also, the maintenance costs of this aircraft have been way higher than I ever expected. I ended up paying over $50,000 a year on average, this after having Winner Aviation perform a very thorough pre purchase. Perhaps I chose the wrong maintenance company for annuals and the sale - Eagle Creek?
These are great performing aircraft and a pleasure to fly but the cost of upkeep became untenable. I ended up spending almost $140,000 to comply with the new buyers pre purchase repairs. This on a supposedly airworthy aircraft. I am sorry to see such a great aircraft go but relieved that I no longer have to spend that sort of money to keep it flying.

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2023, 11:50:59 pm »
Just sold my Grand Rennaissance 690. Those looking to buy, and also current owners, should be aware of the potential for upcoming mandatory crack inspections. I just spent $71,000 to have the tail cracks fixed. Also, the maintenance costs of this aircraft have been way higher than I ever expected. I ended up paying over $50,000 a year on average, this after having Winner Aviation perform a very thorough pre purchase. Perhaps I chose the wrong maintenance company for annuals and the sale - Eagle Creek?
These are great performing aircraft and a pleasure to fly but the cost of upkeep became untenable. I ended up spending almost $140,000 to comply with the new buyers pre purchase repairs. This on a supposedly airworthy aircraft. I am sorry to see such a great aircraft go but relieved that I no longer have to spend that sort of money to keep it flying.

I guess I donít understand how this is supposed to work. When did spending $50k per year to maintain a 300 knot plane become an unexpected thing? It costs about double that plus the effectively mandatory engine hourly payments of $500/hour to maintain a brand new jet of the exact same size.  So with a 50 year old plane, it sounds like you may have had great value?

What did you expect?

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2023, 02:02:33 am »
$50k is a little high in a normal year (no gear or prop overhauls, or improvements), but not crazy. At least not with an airplane that has been well maintained all along and kept up to date.

I am curious about the tail cracks. I have heard whispers from several different sources, but nothing definitive.

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2023, 12:59:48 pm »

Regarding my post about tail area cracking and repairs.

Here are the areas that had cracking.
1.   LT trim cable cut-out crack F.S. 386 frame
2.   Fwd LT side of F.S 409 frame attachment bracket
3.   Aft LT side of F.S. 409 frame

Regarding any upcoming required inspections- I have no other information on this except what I have heard from Sales and maintenance shops that work on Commanders. I understand that Conquests and Mitsubishis already have required inspections regarding corrosion and fatigue damage. Great to hear you have not seen any evidence of cracking like I experienced.
Regarding maintenance costs - having read many reviews on Commanders even on this site, I expected $15-30 as the average yearly maintenance costs, excluding either the prop or gear inspections. Perhaps I was naive as to the real upkeep costs or I was just unlucky with the items that needed attention.
Anyway I agree that the aircraft provides great performance and efficiency. Really enjoyed owning and flying it.

Happy holidays to all and good flying.

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2023, 09:42:49 am »
Yes, I think costs have gone up a bit in the time I have owned my airplane. Used to be $15-30k, as you describe, back in 2011-12, but not any more. Part of it is things get old and break, part of it is parts and labor have gone up substantially.