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schrambow

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2024, 09:54:33 am »
Just sold my Grand Rennaissance 690. Those looking to buy, and also current owners, should be aware of the potential for upcoming mandatory crack inspections. I just spent $71,000 to have the tail cracks fixed. Also, the maintenance costs of this aircraft have been way higher than I ever expected. I ended up paying over $50,000 a year on average, this after having Winner Aviation perform a very thorough pre purchase. Perhaps I chose the wrong maintenance company for annuals and the sale - Eagle Creek?
These are great performing aircraft and a pleasure to fly but the cost of upkeep became untenable. I ended up spending almost $140,000 to comply with the new buyers pre purchase repairs. This on a supposedly airworthy aircraft. I am sorry to see such a great aircraft go but relieved that I no longer have to spend that sort of money to keep it flying.

I guess I donít understand how this is supposed to work. When did spending $50k per year to maintain a 300 knot plane become an unexpected thing? It costs about double that plus the effectively mandatory engine hourly payments of $500/hour to maintain a brand new jet of the exact same size.  So with a 50 year old plane, it sounds like you may have had great value?

What did you expect?

So Bruce, are you saying the Phoemon 300 is about $100K of annual maintenance expenses and about 1K per hour for both engines from Pratt?  ;D

Bruce Byerly

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2024, 10:54:20 pm »
No, just saying a 100 is $500/hour for engines total and about $500/hour for airframe parts and labor. Or thereabouts.

Adam Frisch

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2024, 12:25:19 am »
Thanks Don. Now I just need to sell it to the wife somehow.  :o

Funny, when you've kind of decided that you don't care if it sells, all of a sudden I get a ton of guys wanting to talk about buying it... ;)
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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2024, 12:19:33 pm »
AdamÖ
keep her!
we can never rationalize the expenses of our planesÖ we just love them!
mmmmm
much like the relationship with our wivesÖ  ;)

same with my little 520Ö and the economic downturn the last three years - hard to justify
and yet
and yet

enjoy your wonderful life!
Daryl W
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Adam Frisch

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690B’s for sale!
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2024, 12:11:48 am »
Yes, tempting.

But after speaking with Brian and Arkansas Turbine, it's unfortunate that the hot sections have gone up like everything else. He said hard to get under $60-75K on a hot these days, many in the $100K region. But he did say the overhauls were still kinda in the $250K ballpark, which was good news all things considering. That's a ton better than the uptick in cost for PT6's.
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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2024, 12:22:09 am »
BTW, my buddy Stan Perkins is considering selling his 681. It's got great times on it, the new STEC 65 A/P and he has tons of spares including the on-condition Hamilton Standard props that are very cheap to maintain. It's an immaculate plane, although with a mostly steam panel. He's not officially put it on the market, but if anyone is interested, I can forward contact.

Here is a video of panel I took years ago:

https://youtu.be/dWgEPvx8p6g?si=JbdH652xMlvqTYqh

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donv

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2024, 11:39:53 am »
Why is he selling it? Is he upgrading or something, or stepping back from aviation?

Adam Frisch

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2024, 10:16:09 pm »
He's hitting 70 in a few years and the insurance has told him they won't insure after that. Plus I don't think he flies it enough to justify it.
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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2024, 10:27:20 pm »
The 70 thing is unfortunate. I don't fly mine enough to justify it, so that's not much of an argument.

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690B’s for sale!
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2024, 10:43:48 pm »
Ha!

How many hours makes it justifiable? Asking for a friend.

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2024, 11:44:02 pm »
hi Adam what are the times on 681?

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2024, 12:28:00 am »
Not sure, but I think there's decent time left on the engines, prob around 2000hrs.
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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2024, 09:36:39 am »
ty Adam, as a former piston commander owner, trying to crunch the numbers. I might have to wait a 6-12 months to justify stepping up to a -5 ac. but the entry point on -151 is inviting along with hourly vs calendar inspection.

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2024, 04:56:09 pm »
Funny pinged DonV on the side about the age/insurance subject.  My old man is 75 and likely insurance is going to require another pilot any day I feel.  Unfortunately having to rely on someone else and coordinate schedules will not be a happy day for the old man.   Met him once but owner of N51DM was around the same age if not older and he just did a refurb and bought a phenom (likely from you Bruce), so I truly wonder what the criteria is for insurance single pilot/age.

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Re: 680V, 690A, 690Bís for sale!
« Reply #29 on: Today at 11:16:54 am »
Roberto, the 681 does have 2 added inspections the 680V doesn't have and that's the 5 year gear inspection/overhaul and the spar inspection every 3 years. Other than that, it's a better airplane than the 680V in many regards as it's the first Commander really designed as a turbine from scratch.
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