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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2023, 12:07:41 am »

donv

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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2023, 12:12:51 am »
I hate to see that! Once these airplanes crash like that, it's one more gone from the fleet, and that looks like a nice 840 as well.

Looks to me like they were doing training?

https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N840KB/history/20231026/2155Z/KRTS/KRTS

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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2023, 09:33:59 am »
Is his left prop feathered?
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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2023, 03:48:21 pm »
Is that an unusual type of prop damage for a Commander?

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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2023, 07:21:16 pm »
It looks to me like it was running when it impacted the ground. It probably feathered when the engine shut down.

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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2023, 07:23:41 pm »
I love this line, from one of the reports: "Reno Fire tells us there is no major damage to the plane." Yeah, right!

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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2023, 11:27:33 am »
"It looks to me like it was running when it impacted the ground. It probably feathered when the engine shut down."

At first glance the picture of the bent left prop blades makes it look like a spinning, feathered, prop got shoved into the ground. Which doesn't make sense. Are saying Don, that a spinning prop got run into the ground, the blades all bent aft. And then, as the dust was settling, the bent blades went into feather?

It is hard to tell which is the leading edge from the pic. And I can't remember which way tc props rotate. But I could see that.

I didn't realize that it was possible to get that much of the blade into contact with the ground!

donv

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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2023, 06:49:49 pm »
I believe once there was no oil pressure, the springs would force the prop into feather (assuming not on the start locks, which seems like a reasonable assumption), so if it's not dug into the ground (or the springs were destroyed) or something I can't see why it wouldn't feather.

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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2023, 05:49:37 pm »
I spoke to the pilot and all I can tell you is that it was no fault of the plane and that there was training going on.  A real shame but the crew is fortunately ok. I’ve been throwing people I’ve barely met in the left seat of these planes for over 30 years without a problem but it only takes one move where you don’t have enough altitude to fix it. I’m kinda rethinking my process in that regard.

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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2023, 05:55:07 pm »
Was it a directional control problem on landing?

I remember Swede telling me about people getting in trouble in crosswinds by being too high on the rudder pedal and inadvertently landing with the nosewheel pointed off one way or the other and then running off the runway... this looks worse than that, though.

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Re: Anyone know about this Accident in Reno
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2023, 08:14:17 pm »
Was it a directional control problem on landing?


No.