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donv

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Re: Running 690 turbo commanders
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2016, 12:09:18 am »
Sounds like you are getting a great airplane! Post some pics when you take delivery.

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Re: Running 690 turbo commanders
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2016, 03:19:14 pm »
Getting ready to start initial training program next week - exciting days.

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Re: Running 690 turbo commanders
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2016, 10:24:16 pm »
Very cool!  Who are you using for training?

I think you will find it easy.  Particularly with that panel of yours!

Patrick Kenney

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Re: Running 690 turbo commanders
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2016, 11:34:47 pm »
Thanks Steve. I'm  doing an in aircraft program, happy to give you details over tacos, and on the internet after I have an opinion of the experience. I hesitate to say this in a public forum but... I think I may be the lowest time pilot they have trained. So I'm looking to avoid all the red flags that potentially raises.
I'm going to do the training alongside a very experienced pilot I'm paying the bill for the training of whom I've flown with in the Baron, ex-military, ex-airlines, kajillion hours, so I can have a locally qualified pilot to sit right seat with me when I have the family on board, even after the 20 hours of insurance mandated mentor time.

Adam Frisch

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Re: Running 690 turbo commanders
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2016, 12:20:02 am »
Hey, I was low time when I bought my first twin, I'm low-ish time still. Certainly low time for turbines. I went to the Aerostar after my first piston Commander and everyone said it would be too much plane for me to handle. And yeah, it was a lot to think about the first week of training, but after awhile it just becomes natural. By 30-50hrs, I felt as comfortable in that as I did in any C152. Today, I'd do a lot worse in a C152 than in an Aerostar!

I truly believe any pilot can learn how to fly any plane in a pretty short period of time. Be fun to hear when you feel you're comfortable in it. My guess is it will be a lot sooner than you think, because Commanders are big docile love bears that cuddle you and never bite!  :D

BTW, the wife trepidation normally goes away after awhile when they see you being safe and diligent. Mine is a trooper, even though I almost killed us when the Aerostar door flew open in flight because I hadn't latched it correctly. At least that can't happen on a Commander…. :o
« Last Edit: March 03, 2016, 12:26:25 am by Adam Frisch »
Slumming it in the turboprop world - so you don't have to.

Patrick Kenney

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Re: Running 690 turbo commanders
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2016, 04:17:47 pm »
I've just finished six days of intensive training in the aircraft and ground school. As my first experience as PIC of something with turbines and as a fairly low time pilot it was quite an intense week. There were some moments when it was looking like we might need more days to complete the syllabus, but I managed to complete everything to the required standards and adjust to the new systems and procedures.

I'm really loving the plane and am quite in awe of the performance. It seems I managed to find a very well sorted aircraft that had been maintained to a very high standard. I'm going to be flying a while with mentor pilots and know I still have lots to learn but I couldn't be happier with how well things have gone and my purchase decision.

As far as differences, it was lots of little stuff that I found hardest to adapt to initially: needing to anticipate opposite way rudder on takeoff relative to my Baron and singles I've flown (you need left, not right rudder, due to the props spinning opposite way), needing to use right rudder on landing due to the reverse effect and all that drag from the huge props, having to manage that huge rudder on the ground with strong winds and the unusual pedal setup (pedal deflection only moves rudder, pedal tips initially turn nose wheel steering and then with more travel of the tips you get each side's brakes), getting the hang of steering on the ground using differential power/beta, all the new procedures for engine starts...

In terms of flying the plane, though, it was completely pleasant - so much power that it changes everything. Single engine work required unlearning a bunch of piston twin stuff because it just flies so well on one. There is no 30 seconds or however long it is where you pucker up worrying about losing one after takeoff, because it will just keep flying on one. They say if you can taxi it, you can fly it. Taxiing and managing landings after touch down were the two biggest challenges for me, but I managed to get the required coordination of different bits fixed and burned into my muscle memory as the week went on.

Air work was very pleasant, it is a sweet flying plane. It climbs like you can't believe, it's just wow, 3000 feet per minute is pretty astounding! Loving the speed and adjusting to what that means about things happening quickly. I'm realizing I really wish the plane had altitude preselect which is the only modern bit of avionics it doesn't have. Going high is nice as I learned this week with some weather we had in the southwest.

I'm doing a couple days of flying this week and considering using the plane to hop down to Cabo with the family for a quick vacation next week.

donv

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Re: Running 690 turbo commanders
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2016, 07:08:46 pm »
The old saying about Commanders is that if you can figure out the control lock and how to taxi it, then flying it is the easy part.

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Re: Running 690 turbo commanders
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2016, 11:09:39 pm »
I've now had some more training/mentor days and I'm getting the hang of it. Unfortunately, had a problem at the end of a couple training days, a couple weeks ago, where the left engine Fuel Control Unit was acting up and wouldn't come back to flight idle... So we shut it down and landed at home base. Had a good experience with EAM and they got on the problem quickly. Unfortunately, it isn't a super quick fix for the FCU, but I'm flying on a loaner while mine gets sorted out. Just got the plane back and have a couple days of intensive flying planned.
I'm loving the plane, getting back on the horse tomorrow after a couple weeks off, with an instructor/mentor pilot.
I'm getting shockingly good rates on fuel with my fuel cards and was able to negotiate a fair rate at home base, so I don't have any incentive to go elsewhere just for cheap fuel, which means logistics are uncomplicated, which is nice. It's shocking the difference at nice FBOs between the retail published prices and the fuel card prices.

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Re: Running 690 turbo commanders
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2016, 01:02:51 am »
I'd be interested in knowing which fuel programs you're using. I started a thread on that in the "General" section, so maybe we could continue that discussion over there.


I'm getting shockingly good rates on fuel with my fuel cards and was able to negotiate a fair rate at home base, so I don't have any incentive to go elsewhere just for cheap fuel, which means logistics are uncomplicated, which is nice. It's shocking the difference at nice FBOs between the retail published prices and the fuel card prices.

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Re: Running 690 turbo commanders
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2016, 12:22:44 pm »
This is the fuel program thread I started:

http://www.twincommandergroup.com/index.php?topic=244.0