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Adam Frisch

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Re: Comparing Jetprop Commanders to other planes
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2016, 04:21:09 pm »
Don - what made you chose a 980 over an 840, or even a 900/1000?
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Re: Comparing Jetprop Commanders to other planes
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2016, 12:15:56 pm »
For me, ideally I wanted a 980, but not for any particularly good reasons. I just remember when they were new, and I always thought that the 980 was cool... in part because I like overpowered airplanes!

When I started looking, I assumed I'd get an 840 with dash 10s, because they are more common. And, functionally, there isn't much difference. I slightly prefer the simpler operation of the 980 with the single red line computers, but that really isn't a big deal.

I definitely wanted a Jetprop over a 690 because of the lower maintenance requirements, and the many small improvements. The redesigned wing in the Jetprops is a big deal.

As for a 900/1000, I did give that some thought. I have a lot of experience with 1000s, and in fact before I bought my 980 I was renting a 1000. However, after giving it some thought and consulting with my wife, we decided that we preferred the interior configuration of the 840/980 to that of the 900/1000. The big window and aft couch of the 840/980 are just too nice. And, we don't generally carry a bunch of people, which is where the 1000 would be better.

I also have to admit that a 1000 would have been more upfront money than I wanted to spend on an airplane, but that wasn't really the biggest factor. If a 1000 had been what we really wanted, I could have found a way, or got a 900 (what my friend Norm tried to talk me into), or something like that.

As for why I ended up with a 980 rather than an 840, mine was the only 980 on the market at the time, and it really was the best fit for me, and, in my opinion, the best one on the market (840 or 980). Bob Mays told me it was a special airplane, with it's very low time, two owners since new, etc. and while he may have been talking it up to close the deal, looking back I think he was absolutely right.

Sorry to boast, but I think I lucked out-- it's one of the best Commanders I've ever been involved with-- and I've been around a lot of them.

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Re: Comparing Jetprop Commanders to other planes
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2016, 01:37:12 pm »

I definitely wanted a Jetprop over a 690 because of the lower maintenance requirements, and the many small improvements. The redesigned wing in the Jetprops is a big deal.


What exactly is the difference between a jetprop and a 690?  I'm sorry but I always think of there only being pistons or turbo prop and didn't realize there were variants.

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Glenn
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Adam Frisch

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Re: Comparing Jetprop Commanders to other planes
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2016, 02:17:22 pm »

What exactly is the difference between a jetprop and a 690?  I'm sorry but I always think of there only being pistons or turbo prop and didn't realize there were variants.

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Glenn

Glenn,

Jetprop has a longer wing (the later models all wet wing, the earlier a combo of bladders and wet wing). They carry more fuel internally, have greater range and can fly higher and faster.

They later 900/1000 models pressurizes to the outer skin, not just the floor. They also have 6.7psi pressurization.

They later models had -10 engines. Better performance, less gearbox inspections.

Thanks Don.

It's interesting to hear your views, as a Jetprop is my ultimate goal and I like to hear from others what they think. People I talk to seem to think the 980 is pretty much the perfect Jetprop. I wouldn't mind the 6.7psi pressurization and able to get to FL350 of the later models, but at the same time I do like the bigger windows and the sofa from the earlier models. I think the 980 would be the ideal compromise. One day...
« Last Edit: May 12, 2016, 02:44:27 pm by Adam Frisch »
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Re: Comparing Jetprop Commanders to other planes
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2016, 02:36:38 pm »
There are a lot of small differences, such as the fuel system, some of the electrical system, the environmental system, etc.

However, the wing is actually a much bigger difference than it appears visually. In addition to being longer, and a wet wing, it was almost entirely redesigned internally, which is why none of the 690 wing ADs apply to the Jetprops. There were actually "beneath the skin" changes throughout the airplane.

The Jetprops are really the result of a bunch of conversations with 690 owners about what they liked and didn't like about the airplane. They really made an effort to listen, and to fix or improve things.


I definitely wanted a Jetprop over a 690 because of the lower maintenance requirements, and the many small improvements. The redesigned wing in the Jetprops is a big deal.


What exactly is the difference between a jetprop and a 690?  I'm sorry but I always think of there only being pistons or turbo prop and didn't realize there were variants.

Thanks,

Glenn

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Re: Comparing Jetprop Commanders to other planes
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2016, 08:30:59 pm »
Don is spot on.  The 980 was the best choice for me.  I did not like the way the 900/1000 Windows lined up with the seats in the back.  You could not take advatage of the view that the high wing provides you with.

The 840 with -10 is close to the same thing.  The 980 is almost a auto start compared to the modified 840 which needs more interaction during start.

It has the big range, single engine performance and speed I wanted, plus it easy to fly

Also love the big ago area.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2016, 08:33:01 pm by Steve binnette »

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Re: Comparing Jetprop Commanders to other planes
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2016, 12:59:26 am »
The 840/980 baggage is something else! I've never come close to filling it, even on an extended trip to the Bahamas with the usual clothes, plus snorkeling gear, plus beach toys, etc.

Skis just slip right in, even my fairly long skis are simply not an issue. It has a nice hangar bar near the door for hanging bags, jackets, etc., as well.

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Re: Comparing Jetprop Commanders to other planes
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2016, 07:17:20 am »
Well, maybe one day when I grow up.  For now I'll have to stick with my midget door.  It is much easier loading and unloading my 310 than the commander.

Thanks for the explanation on the whole Jet Prop thing as I couldn't figure out if they had different engines or if it was something else.  Looks like a 980 will be what I look for when I grow up, or rather, when my bank account grows up. :-)

Glenn
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