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Adam Frisch

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Re: 1000's
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2017, 09:58:27 pm »
Agreed, this is a funny business. More and more is asked of pilots and on the other hand, less and less time is available to do what is asked of us. I suffer from exactly the same thing: been wanting to finish my CPL for years, do my tailwheel checkout, do my rotor rating, high altitude endorsement, but just don't have the time with work and family. Negotiating to go to SimCom next week now, and just fitting that thing is a huge nightmare. Most of us are cash rich and time poor, these days. Successful PPL's and owner-operators don't really have the time anymore to set aside to go get a multi rating with IFR privileges. That's a pretty big commitment. That's why the SETP and SEP sales keep racking up - it's just an easier path. This is what will make the Cirrus Jet work.

It doesn't help that the training industry treats you like shit either. Talked to FlightSafety because I wanted to see what the P180 Avanti initial would cost (I have a sweet spot for them - don't ask). They immediately came back with, you need 1500hrs, CPL and a class 2 medical. Why on earth? The $25K I'd spend isn't good enough with a PPL and a class 3? Are they kidding me? Is everyone who buys a P180 a contract charter pilot? No, of course not (I know of several who are PPL's). But that's how they roll and it alienates people. I'd rather spend my money somewhere else than go to FlightSafety after this. In fact, I'll go out of my way to spend it somewhere else, now. Thankfully SimCom hasn't asked for anything outrageous for TC training. Yet.

« Last Edit: June 26, 2017, 11:08:38 pm by Adam Frisch »
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Steve binnette

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Re: 1000's
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2017, 10:56:56 pm »
Adam, you know I disagree with you on the cirrus jet.  For starters, It's climbs like a commander one one engine and only goes half as far!

The rest I am in complete agreement.  I got shafted at a flight school here in LA at VNY, on a multiengine rating, envoy flight academy. Stay away, really shady outfit, but it looks good from the outside..

I am trying to get some of my kids their PPL .  My son got his PPL and now wants his Multi rating.  It is an eye opener, I can't imagine how hard it would be to do without somebody to help guide you

It's been really fun for me to help my kids. It's like I can finally coach them at something I am familiar with!
« Last Edit: June 26, 2017, 11:00:29 pm by Steve binnette »

Adam Frisch

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Re: 1000's
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2017, 11:10:21 pm »
Oh I agree with you on the Cirrus for sure, Steve! I just think it will still be successful, despite all it's shortcomings.

I heard you mention Envoy before and I have advised against going there to at least one person I know.  :)
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Re: 1000's
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2017, 12:50:35 am »
I guess I'm with Steve. If you buy a TBM or Meridian, you need to get trained anyway, so why is that harder than getting a multi rating? There is no written required for the multi rating, after all.

In the case of the Cirrus jet, you need a type rating for that, so you have to take a more difficult test than for a simple multi rating.

I think it's more of a psychological thing-- some pilots seem to think that every twin performs on one engine like an overloaded Apache on a 100 degree day. A Turbo Commander, on one engine, outperform's that Apache when it has both engines running!

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Re: 1000's
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2017, 08:39:46 am »
Bruce- is 2 million the asking price for 51DM?

donv

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Re: 1000's
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2017, 04:53:05 pm »
I have to say, for $2 million, if the choice is N51DM or a new Cirrus Vision Jet, I'd go for N51DM. I just read Flying's report on the Cirrus, and other than the big, beautiful windows, I'm not impressed.

The 1000 will go higher, just as fast, farther, much larger cabin, much larger baggage, similar avionics, on the same fuel burn. And all in, the 1000 would cost the same or slightly less to operate (although the Cirrus does have warranty, so that might help a bit for the first year).

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Re: 1000's -Different Point of View
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2017, 10:12:00 pm »
I bought a 690D a while back.  It already had a -10T conversion with approx 500hrs since overhaul, the air frame had 11,000hrs.  While the engines where in good shape the air frame not so much.  The plane cost me $800k.   Took the plane to Eagle Creek.  Repaired the air frame, put in a G950 panel, new wide cord props, striped the paint off to bare metal and repainted it, put in a new interior, and certified it for RVSM.  Total cost around $1.9m, plus a year of waiting.  Have flow the plane 600+ hours (several time coast to coast).  If I bought a 1000 for say $1.2 and put another $1.1 into it I would have cost me $2.3, well above the value of the aircraft.

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Re: 1000's
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2018, 09:50:49 am »
Bruce- did 51DM sell?  Haven't seen it out and about anywhere online.

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Re: 1000's
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2018, 02:11:40 pm »
Looks like it did, based on FlightAware.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N51DM

Looks like they kept the paint, too. I wonder about the interior?