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dcronin37

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Re: Pennsylvania College of Technology 1968 680W 1818-32
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2019, 05:57:54 pm »
Yes so the compensator adjusts the EGT/ITT readout on the instrument, based on outside air temp. and airspeed.  The chromel side of the EGT thermocouples is the only one which is varied.  The alumel goes straight to the instrument connection.  As the EGT thermocouple harness produces voltage, the compensator does act as a resistor and varies the signal.  What I will do is bypass the in and out of the compensator so the Electronics International instruments read exactly what the EGT harness is producing.   

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Re: Pennsylvania College of Technology 1968 680W 1818-32
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2019, 07:30:08 pm »
Yes so the compensator adjusts the EGT/ITT readout on the instrument, based on outside air temp. and airspeed.  The chromel side of the EGT thermocouples is the only one which is varied.  The alumel goes straight to the instrument connection.  As the EGT thermocouple harness produces voltage, the compensator does act as a resistor and varies the signal.  What I will do is bypass the in and out of the compensator so the Electronics International instruments read exactly what the EGT harness is producing.

That's something I'd like to be able to do legally. Now it's impossible to trend monitor or see how they perform as you don't actually read true EGT, just a proxy.
Slumming it in the turboprop world - so you don't have to.

donv

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Re: Pennsylvania College of Technology 1968 680W 1818-32
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2019, 08:16:02 pm »
That's interesting, and apparently much more complicated than the system the -5 uses. The -5 has a resistor which is matched to the engine to reduce the voltage coming out of the ITT harness and show you the actual ITT. It doesn't compensate for altitude or temperature or anything else.

The SRL on the -10s (the factory ones) is a whole different beast, which does all sorts of compensating-- but it's much more than a simple resistor.

This -1 system (or are yours -43s?) sounds more like the SRL, only done without the benefit of digital technology.

Adam, you should still be able to trend monitor, regardless. While the absolute number you record might not be a "true" reading, it should be the same for the same conditions and power setting.

@dcronin37, I guess my concern with using uncompensated values is that you might end up over-temping your engine during start or ground operations-- do you go much above idle?

If you don't have the compensating resistor, how will you know what the temperature limits are during start?


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Re: Pennsylvania College of Technology 1968 680W 1818-32
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2019, 11:44:27 am »
Can you post the next page? That's where it seems like it gets good!

donv

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Re: Pennsylvania College of Technology 1968 680W 1818-32
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2019, 02:34:44 pm »
Actually, this thread has some very relevant info:

http://www.twincommandergroup.com/index.php?topic=1147.msg8200#new

The big risk for you is if you are over-temping during start, I would think. It sounds like one of the compensating features (the resistor) is relevant to this.

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Re: Pennsylvania College of Technology 1968 680W 1818-32
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2019, 08:18:12 am »
Can you post the next page? That's where it seems like it gets good!

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By the looks of it, the compensator does only one function- vary the exhaust gas temperature indication from OAT and A/S.  The system has never been changed before and is the same units and systems from 1968. 

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Re: Pennsylvania College of Technology 1968 680W 1818-32
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2020, 09:05:25 pm »
Found this video on Facebook... what a great project! Glad to see it turned out so well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGZqi9KPDXQ&fbclid=IwAR0VvR38YNTTwNI3VbK55gBiRF4mPwPDU3VZRZTc98U1ZlRs1y2SKjB750I

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Re: Pennsylvania College of Technology 1968 680W 1818-32
« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2020, 07:57:44 am »
WOW... What a project

Seems like so much invested for a class project and a Commander that will most likely never fly again. However he is one of very few now that know the 680W inside out.

He needs to share what "grade" he received.

Well done!

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Re: Pennsylvania College of Technology 1968 680W 1818-32
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2020, 04:12:42 pm »
Good call DonV, I forgot to post that when saw it back in '19.  Good for him, helluva job.