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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2022, 12:02:11 am »
Excellent. You really lively up this forum DonV.

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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2022, 06:19:24 pm »
I never had the chance to meet Alec in person, but based on his writings I bet he was a lot of fun!

The fuel numbers he mentions are downright scary. To give you some idea, when he mentions landing with 800 pounds, keep this in mind: we figured 2500 pounds of fuel burned the first hour. Then, once you were up at FL410, you were burning maybe 17-800 pounds per hour, maybe 1600 if you really pulled it back and were light, and maybe went up to FL430 or something. Although I don't recall anything under about 1700 pounds per hour.

We used to time the fuel counter to verify and have a more precise figure than what the fuel flow gauges were telling us.

Down low, on the ground, the Jet Commander burned 1200 pounds per hour at IDLE! To get 250 knots in level flight, it took about 2000 pounds per hour.

So 800 pounds was what, maybe 20 minutes?

Of course, as my old friend Norm used to tell me, well, in the Jet Commander even at 250 knots you can go a long way in 20 minutes... he claimed further than he used to be able to go in the 680FLP in an hour (maybe a slight exaggeration).

Still, I preferred 1500 pounds, and tried to never go below 1000. I remember landing with 800 pounds once, as the copilot, and it was scary (to me, anyway).

The one good thing about the Jet Commander was that when you pulled the power back to idle at FL410, the fuel flows really dropped, and you could get from 410 to landing on about 250 pounds, as I recall, if you didn't have to level off.

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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2022, 07:20:36 pm »
One got flown out of Compton Airport many years ago in the early 90's. Still don't understand how you can pull that off. That's tight even in a 500B! :o
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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2022, 09:58:51 am »
Donv,  thanks for sharing these stories.  They are a good read for sure! This colonel character was something else. Wonder what his life story was after this, did he fly a long time afterwards, if so, i am sure he would have had a lot of other story's as well i am guessing. 
I can laugh at this now and still do thinking about it, but feel a bit bad for that co-pilot though.

thanks for sharing this.
 

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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2022, 11:48:47 pm »
Since you asked, this is the end of the story, from the late Alec Caudell and propilotworld.com:

Part two.

Well this was an interesting development, none of us had ever flown a Merlin, we had to get home, the guy paying us was not going to pay for airline tickets and if we didn’t take the Merlin II back to him, we wouldn’t be paid. It was a hell of a situation to say the least. Okay, I had flown a Kingair 90 for a few years and had also flown MU-2s. But still. So Laurel and Hardy and I sit down to talk this over. Laurel had never flown a turbo-prop of any kind, but Hardy had a few hours of co-pilot time in a Kingair. We figured that the Merlin II was basically a Kingair with a different fuselage mounted on a Queen Air wing, just like the Kingair, with same type PT-6 engines. Hell, how different could it be, there should be checklist and a flight manual (that what POMs were called back then) on the Merlin, all PT-6s operated the same. Shoot it was just a Kingair with different fuselage. So the three of us decide that I would fly it and Hardy would sit in the right seat running the checklist and to read the flight manual if the need should arise. Laurel and The Colonel would ride in the back, drinking the Scotch and act like big shots. It was a plan, we reviewed the plan and found it a good plan. So it was said, so it was written, so it was, done. Almost.

As we were metaphorically patting each on the back for coming up with such a clever plan, the Merlin is towed up in front of the FBO where we are sitting. Right away I see a problem. It is not just a Merlin II, nope, it’s a Merlin IIB, with TPE-331 engines, not PT-6s. Right then, now we have a Queen Air wing and landing gear, upside down MU-2 engines and some other guy’s fuselage. So Laurel and Hardy and I sit down to discuss this latest predicament. We reason that we can still figure this out and get this thing home, get us home and get us paid. After all, I had flown MU-2s with TPE-331 engines, so I knew how to operate them, right side up or not, hell the engines didn’t know they were upside down, right? One more time we metaphorically pat each other on the back for coming up with another clever plan, a Plan B.

Now you may have noticed that there was an omission in our planning endeavors, The Colonel had not been included, as he had wandered off somewhere. He did this quite often and all three of us had flown with The Colonel, so this was nothing new. Never the less I was a bit concerned about his absence during our superior planning sessions. Just about the time I bring up the absence of The Colonel, he shows up and tells me to check the weather and file a flight plan back home. Before I can reply, Hardy jumps up and tells The Colonel of our clever Plan B. Hardy was kind of a suck-up at times, like this time. The Colonel thinks about our Plan B for about one second, then announces that it sounds good to him, with one exception, he’ll fly the Merlin, Hardy will still be the co-pilot and then he tells Hardy to check the weather and file the flight plan. Then tells Laurel and me to go pre-flight the Merlin. Obviously there was a Plan C that we were unaware of.

As Hardy scurries off to do The Colonel’s bidding Laurel and I look at each other thinking the same thing, ‘has The Colonel ever flown any kind of turbo-prop?’. So I ask him, “Jim (not his real name) have you ever flown a turbo-prop, any kind of a turbo-prop?” The Colonel pauses for a second or two, looks at us and says, “Well no I have not, always wanted to so now is my chance. Matter of fact I have not flown a propeller driven aircraft since I was transitioned from the P-51 to the P-80 back in 1946.” Oh shit.

He could tell from the expression on our faces that we were not overly thrilled about this latest development. “Look you two, I flew captured MIGs and other types of Soviet aircraft when I was flying at Edwards, hell the only language that were in the cockpits of those things were either in Russian or Chinese, so this Merlin will be a piece of cake. Don’t worry, we’ll make it.” God I hated it when he said that, “We’ll make it.”

We tried to talk him out of it, but to no avail. He was flying the Merlin back home and that was final. Now we knew that he was telling the truth about flying Soviet aircraft and it was a fact that he had been a test pilot at Edwards, knew Chuck Yeager and all that stuff. Above all, he was probably the finest stick and rudder pilot I ever flew with. It was just at times one could say his judgment was a bit questionable, like flying through a thunderstorm that morning. So resigned to the inevitable, Laurel and I go out to the Merlin, pre-flight it, located the check lists and the flight manual, which we put into the cockpit. Then I filled the ice chest in bar, filled the water container in the bar and grabbed some cups from the FBO. If The Colonel was not going to sit in the back and drink Scotch, by God Laurel and I were.

The Colonel and Hardy come out and get in the aircraft, I shut the door and then go up to the cockpit to make sure that they will start the engines without blowing them up or melting them. We get the engines started and as they are getting ready to taxi out I ask Hardy about the weather, he says “Remember that line of thunderstorms, they’re still there. But don’t worry, we’ll make it.”, then he gives me this smart arse smile. I almost hit him, but instead I go back in the cabin and sit down in the left mid-forward facing seat next to Laurel. We taxi out and takeoff barely avoiding snap rolling back onto the runway because the engines were so badly out of rig that when the throttles were even at the full power positon, the right engine was at only about 70% and left at about 120%. However, after I jumped out of my seat and into the cockpit to even out the power, which resulted in a split of about two inches between the throttles we were off and running west bound back home and into a line of thunderstorms, again.

From what Flight Service told Hardy the line ended just south of Little Rock and he had flight planned accordingly. So thinking we’ll have an uneventful ride home Laurel and I setting back to enjoy the ride and enjoy the Scotch. Pretty soon we were IMC but still in smooth air and could occasionally see the ground, I moved to the left rearward facing seat and had my feet on the opposite seat. Hey, it was a sales aircraft, who cared if you put your feet on the seats.

As I am sitting there, sipping my Scotch I notice Laurel was staring into the cockpit, intensely. Pretty soon he looks at me and says, “You need to look at this.” So I switch back to the forward facing seat and look into the cockpit, at the radar to be precise. ‘Oh shit, not again.’ The radar screen is covered with returns, nearly solid returns. We just look at each other, take a big gulp of Scotch and chinch our seatbelts down as tight as we can. The Colonel flies between two cells, then turns to miss another one and flies us right into the side of another one.

WHAM! We hit another brick wall. Crap in the cabin flies everywhere, thinking ahead I had put my hand on top of my cup to prevent my Scotch from departing the cup and landing all over me. Laurel was not so quick of thinking, we both watch as his entire drink, and I swear this happened, came out of his cup, paused and then fell back into his cup only spilling a few drops. As we were looking at each other in amazement we hit more severe turbulence and my head hit the ceiling of the cabin. For the next 30 or 40 minutes The Colonel and Hardy flies us in and out of thunderstorms, with me hitting my head on the ceiling, until we finally pop out into clear air, probably by accident. I yelled up to the cockpit asking them if they would like to turn around and go back, as I think they might have missed a cell or two.

With that excitement over all that was left was the landing, which proved to be very interesting as the engines were not quite in rig, providing quite a bit of amusement to the folks in the tower as the Merlin swerved from side to side of the runway as engines went in and out of reverse until The Colonel just stood on the brakes out of desperation to get us stopped.

There wasn’t much Scotch left in the bottle by the time we parked.

As it turned out this was my last trip with the Colonel, he soon left to go to work for an aircraft manufacture in St. Louis that made, you guessed it, fighter aircraft. Please do not get the wrong idea about the Colonel, he was one of the best sick and rudder pilot I ever flew with and he taught me a lot, including not what to do. It was his judgment that I would sometimes question, such as flying me through two thunderstorms on the same day.

But if you ever wanted a pilot that could get the maximum out of an aircraft, he was your man.

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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2022, 11:24:45 am »
Adam, to your point, this is actual footage of that jet commander launching out of Compton (I think)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkDP6pVXd54

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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2022, 05:08:32 pm »
Yep! Chet Duncan used to run Commandair at Compton. He salvaged that Jet Commander at Van Nuys, trucked it over in pieces to Compton and rebuilt it. I have to say out looks damn snazzy in that paint job after he's done with it - gorgeous!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m42z-UH8m6s
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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2022, 11:00:47 am »
Thanks Don, I enjoyed it.

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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2022, 11:43:36 am »
Serial number 44. By 1991, the Jet Commander was pretty much done. We had gotten rid of the ones we had by then, although I believe through the mid-90s Aero Air had another one that they flew some, but that one was gone by 1995 or so.

RVSM was the final nail in the coffin for Jet Commanders, although the guy in Chino kept flying his into the early 2000s. I'm pretty sure there are none flying anywhere now, or even for the last 10 or so years.
 
Yep! Chet Duncan used to run Commandair at Compton. He salvaged that Jet Commander at Van Nuys, trucked it over in pieces to Compton and rebuilt it. I have to say out looks damn snazzy in that paint job after he's done with it - gorgeous!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m42z-UH8m6s

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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2022, 11:55:57 am »
We used to regularly go into Juneau Alaska in the Jet Commander, back in my young copilot days. The thing about Juneau was that from HIO you would get there with about 2000 pounds of fuel, assuming you took off full (which put you over gross for takeoff with our usual 8 passengers, but let's not worry about that for now).

2000 pounds seems like a lot, right? A good, solid hour.

The problem is, Juneau only had an LDA approach that, if you flew it to category A minimums (the Jet Commander was really B or arguably C), only took you down to about 1500 feet in those days... and you were a mile or two from the airport, but they had these lead-in lights that you could follow.

And, the weather was notoriously unpredictable in Juneau, but usually bad. You really couldn't tell what it would be when you took off from HIO, because, well, it changes.

The other problem with Juneau is that all the other airports around there-- Sitka, and Ketchikan, specifically, didn't have great approaches either. Sitka was the best, as I recall, with a VOR approach that got you down to something like 400 feet, and Ketchikan had an ILS, but with a minimum around 1000 feet. And, they typically all shared the same weather!

The nearest place with a 200 1/2 ILS was Whitehorse, and that was about 180 miles away.

So, there was always a decision to be made... if you started down into the Juneau area, you did not have enough fuel to go anywhere except Juneau, Sitka, or Ketchikan... if you stayed at FL410, you could make Whitehorse, assuming all went well.

Always interesting! I only had to go over the top to Whitehorse once, and we did miss at Juneau once (but we had come from Fairbanks, which is much closer, so we had fuel to spare).

Good times! Still one of my favorite parts of the world.

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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #55 on: March 24, 2022, 12:21:48 am »
I forgot to mention, the one time we went over the top to Whitehorse, when we got handed off to the Canadians, they gave us holding instructions! We had to advise them that we had minimum fuel, and they came back and told us not to worry about holding. Still gave me a bit of a shock when I first heard it.

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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2024, 10:55:08 pm »
New Jet Commander in a brand new hangar...


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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2024, 08:19:45 pm »
Great little YT video about the Jet Commander! What a beauty!

https://youtu.be/SFGngRiYQS0?si=vsomf18LOhif2O30
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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2024, 12:07:03 am »
I think that first production Jet Commander that they talk about in the video was serial number 3. It's interesting that it went to Timken Bearing, as Louise Timken was famous for her ownership and flying of a very early Learjet 23.

I remember seeing serial number 4 in a hangar in Reno in the 1980s, in perfect condition and obviously flying regularly at that time. I flew serial number 7 a fair amount around 1990 or so-- in fact, I think I flew it on it's last flight, to the scrapyard.

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Re: 1121 Jet Commander
« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2024, 08:57:10 pm »
That was cool, Adam, thanks for sharing!